The Lovers - NFT edition

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NFT brings the digital world and art into a new realm, and the connection between the physical and the digital has always been a fascination for me. Throughout my career as an artist, 20 years and counting, I have seen some of my works that used to exist physically be … (read more)

NFT brings the digital world and art into a new realm, and the connection between the physical and the digital has always been a fascination for me. Throughout my career as an artist, 20 years and counting, I have seen some of my works that used to exist physically be wiped away naturally by weather over time, and now only exist in a digital form.
NFT deepens this fascination and connection, and to further explore how the physical interacts with the digital, and opposite, I decided to make an "NFT" version of one of my most popular and established physical paintings, "The Lovers".
"The Lovers" motive appeared on a city wall in Bryne, Norway March 12th 2020, the day before Norway went into national covid19-lockdown. Once released for sale it was sold out instantly as limited prints and canvas paintings, to all over the world.

Since the last month I have worked on painting a new version of "The Lovers" but with a pink NFT background to make it distinct from the existing physical versions. The painting was then photographed, before I worked on it digitally and remade the image into this final piece.
The painting itself has been burnt, to symbolize what once existed physically, now only exists digitally. The video of this burning will also be minted as an NFT 1/1 edition.

With this I want to further explore the concept of the physical vs the digital.
Who are the collectors of the physical versions? Who are the collectors of the digital versions? How to they relate to each other? How will the physical collectors respond to the new digital version? And how will the digital collectors respond to the fact that an existing version exists?
And will the two interact and relate in any way at all?


Additional Details:
  • 12296 x 12296 px, JPEG (26.3 MB)
  • This is a signed and limited edition digital creation.
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Comments

PaddisonJesus
2021/08/30

Please check my profile and follow.

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Himanshu Arya
2021/08/30

Very cool.

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pablo
2021/03/13

Email from Lindsay:

Thank you for reaching out to me.

As a transactional attorney, my work generally involves deal-making and contract negotiation. Although I occasionally handle disputes, I am not a litigator, so I normally pass cases like yours, which in my opinion would be better handled by a litigation attorney, to other colleagues.

May I suggest that you call the San Francisco Bar Association Attorney Referral Service for a referral: 415 989-1616.

Thank you again for reaching out to me, and good luck with your matter.

Kind regards,
Lindsay

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pablo
2021/04/02

Kunstneren har uttrykt at han er lei seg for det som skjedde. Dette var en føkkøpp fra Makersplace. Jeg går videre i livet og ønsker kunstner og kjøpere alt det beste :)

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Jaakko Lintunen
(owner)
2021/04/02

Hva sier advokatene?

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pablo
2021/03/13

I just contacted a lawyer in San Fran and wrote him this email: Hello Lindsay. My name is ... I live in Norway. Last week I placed a bid at makersplace.com for a NFT(digital art) artwork by norwegian artist Pøbel. The website confirmed that I had bought one edition(50 pieces was put up for sale). The amount of 650$ was deducted from my bank account. During the process of transfering the digital file something went wrong on their part. And the file never got transferred to me. Now they have refunded my money, but less than they deducted. Other buyers are in the same position as me. And I feel upset and angry. Can we sue them for potential lost future earnings? What can we do? I dont feel its right for them to act this way and not even offer a compensation.

Best regards
...

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I also was refunded less (currency effect), and is mostly upset by the non-chalance Makersplace is demonstrating. By not taking this seriously they demonstrate that they just dont care about their mission and idea. Reach me at IG 'oletheodor'

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I believe they do not isolate objects in the sales process, the speed and interest here ended up in several transactions for the same edition. I tried several editions from 19:00 including no. 1, but was told the 'object was not available' after entering and confirming CC details. For no. 18 I was successful, was deducted from CC, was told the 'creation' was transferring to my wallet. And then after 2+ hours all trace of the transaction disappeared. I guess they had to delete transactions in the backend to end up with one buyer per edition. So, they stole the creation I had legally purchased and paid for. And no information or process afterwards. I have been in dialogue with Pøbel who is less than happy, and who I believe is trying his best to gather a list of the involved. Hopefully he will give more information when this mess is sorted out. I am completely in with a law-suit against Onchain Labs / Makers Place.

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pablo
2021/03/13

Ps. I just checked my bank account. They refunded me aprox. 3-400 NOK less than they deducted. Ok, I am calling my lawyer. This pisses me off.

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pablo
2021/03/13

Thats right. Same here. Either they clear up this mess or we should file a joint lawsuit against them. Its human/algorithmic to make mistakes. But contrary to machines, we humans get pissed off when large companies steal our hard earned cash. How do they expect us to tollerate this? Are they stupid, greedy or just a little slow to respond?

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testament131
2021/03/13

Pablo, can you remember how much they actually deducted, as I didn't take a screenshot, please? I thought it was more than what I got back as well.. I thought it was around 5600, slightly more? Found it 5663, returned 5294

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pablo
2021/03/13

I had a confirmed buy. Now I have nothing. What if this piece appreciates in value tremendously over the next years. Is that a potential loss for me? Should we all go together and sue this place for lost gains? Anyone know a good lawyer? Where is makersplace registered as a legal entity?

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Onchain Labs, San Fransisco.

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ThAz
2021/03/13

Got refunded today and lost $45 due to exhange rates. MakersPlace are not answering e-mails.

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It seems posts are deleted here, I guess critique of the flawed sales process is not appreciated?

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Hi Jon, I got a refund, but with nagtive balance due to currency. Also still no information from them. Very annoying.

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I know, 3 comments only here. Similarly stupid. I was refunded, but lost out on currency.

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testament131
2021/03/13

Hi Ole, calmer today?? I think they allow OP to stay and three replies, after the 3 they delete the oldest. Very annoying how they haven't explained why the complete balls up the other day. Also, check your account to see if refunded the correct amount.

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Johni Seifert
2021/03/11

Sweet!

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I paid for edition 18, had a reserve on my CC, the token was transferring to my ‘wallet’, and then the purchase was simply cancelled by Makersplace. Someone else now owns ‘my’ edition. Then I received a partial refund. I do not recommend anyone to trust this marketplace who clearly have lacking business logic and a poor it architecture. I believe it is a scandal, and it reflects poorly also on Pøbel who seems not to care.

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pablo
2021/03/13

I fully endorse your view. In my opinion all who had money deducted and had a confirmed buy should be given some sort of compensation. Maybe we should join arms and sue this place?!

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MaWeBra
2021/03/12

https://www.kunstveggen.no/t/pobel-the-lovers-nft/24514/164

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Thanks, you have my sympathy. Not a single word of explanation or responsibility from Makersplace on this scandal except an ‘update’ email with no information.

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I tried to buy one but couldn't get through. Looks like it sold out instantly

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ThAz
2021/03/09

Kudos to Pøbel for trying something new!
And congrats on the sale.

I belive the problem for those of us that recieved purchase confirmation and had money reserved on our cards is that we did not go trough the identity verification process. There is a link on the account settings page for this.

I was so focused on how I was going to pay for this, that I did’nt pay much attention to how the art would be transferred to me. So even if your cryptowallet is listed under payment options, that does not mean it is verified and can recieve NFTs from MakersPlace.

The MakersPlace FAQ and info leaves a little something to be desired..

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testament131
2021/03/10

Registered and Verified Email: You must have a registered account with a verified email address. Verified email addresses will show a green check mark in your profile. Check whether your email has been verified here.
That's all it says....

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Merete
(owner)
2021/03/09

❤ I'm a Lover

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pablo
2021/03/09

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pablo
2021/03/09

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pablo
2021/03/09

...

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Desperado
2021/03/09

Hi Pøbel
"Your creation is being transferred...." page is gone, money reserved on credit card.
The # of edition I thought I bought is another name on.
What is happening ?

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MaWeBra
2021/03/09

Same..

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IngveG
2021/03/09

Same here, purchased number 11.
makersplace should sort this out :/

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same

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Janne Hana
2021/03/09

I cannot see my name on the list yet, but I see one name 3 times, I wonder who decides what goes through or not? money has been reserved from my account at 19.00 with a confirmation message on screen that I am the owner of a "rare digital artwork" so I can not have been too late :( but nothing shows in my collection. I hope we get some clarification soon

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The reservation on my bank account has now been processed, but nothing appears in bid-history or purchase history. Also I can't verify my digital wallet on any browser. Have you been able to reach customer support on this?

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mostvalueablepicker
(owner)
2021/03/09

Hi Janne and others :) if your account on bids shows “pending acceptance” usually that means payment is processing and it can take some time to go thru! I am still new and learning too - good luck and welcome!

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Psycheout
2021/03/09

Missa droppen :o

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Thomas Greig
2021/03/09

not impressed by this system.

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Greg Muter
(owner)
2021/03/09

Nah, it was a bit of a mindf#%k!

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testament131
2021/03/09

Now I am confused... I bought number 6 edition, money reserved straight away, somebody else has it.... It's now 20.35, surely I (we) should have in our accounts a digital wallet by now. I bought at 19.00/19.01, received the 'your creation is being transferred to your digital wallet,' message. Nothing. Oh well, what will be will be...Sites fault not the artist.. 21.37 that's it for me...

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same for me

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Tim Browne
2021/03/09

Hi Pobel. Had trouble making an offer because my computer kept auto filling the details box, when I was trying to enter my card details. Is the edition sold out? The majority of the edition still seems to be owned by you and pending.

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Tim Browne
2021/03/09

Ah! Makes sense

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testament131
2021/03/09

I think most of us who bought are new to the system and therefore it's taking a long time to make our wallet...

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Greg Muter
(owner)
2021/03/09

Whats going with this?? Im a little lost. Had a confirmation from buy now and now im just getting a rotating "transfer to wallet which has been going on for about 30mins"?? is this like print drops and the system sh%ts itself....or maybe i will get the item had confirmed. Time will tell i guess

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On my account it says "No wallets has been connected", but when I click "Approve your Digital Wallet" nothing happens, neither in Chrome nor Safari.. 😞

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Greg Muter
(owner)
2021/03/09

Yeah, just looking into it now - I understand its just an approval in the settings section?

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pablo
2021/03/09

Have u guys set up a digital Wallet? That might be the bottleneck?!

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Jeg gleder meg til å printe dette og få på veggen, og ikke minst spennende å delta i en slik digital revolusjon. Jeg ser på NFT som en mulighet til å øke distribusjonen av kunsten - en mulighet for at alle kan få sin versjon der de ønsker - i den størrelsen om de omgivelsene de ønsker.

@pøbel: har du tanker eller anbefalinger om print av denne?

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fuckyoumoney
2021/03/09

Print? Kjøp deg en Samsung Frame - så blir det heldigitalt.

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pablo
2021/03/09

So Pøbel. Now I am the lucky owner of one print and one NFT of your brilliant motif. LOVE your work. How has this your first sell of an NFT experience been, and how do you see your future work within this domain? Do you think that your work and voice will have a greater impact, and if so how will you use this newfound platform?

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